Mustafa Suleyman

And I realized sort of in my late teens and early 20s that it was too narrow a kind of worldview.

What are its boundaries?

What does it not do?

And so technology is fundamentally an ethical question.

It is clearly about how we reframe our culture and our ideas and our entertainment, our music, our knowledge in the world, right?

Prioritized being Muslim over being human.

And it didn't make sense to me that there wasn't gender equality.

It didn't make sense to me that people who chose to get with a member of the same sex suddenly got demonized and they were like...

So it was very obvious to me from the very beginning that we started DeepMind that we were going to have

a huge moral responsibility to think about what it's going to be like to bring these agents, these co-pilots into the world.

evil somehow that none of that made sense to me.

Whereas a human rights framework respects everybody as equals.

What would their values be?

And I just can't see how that isn't the right way to live.

What would they not do?

What are their limitations?

And so that always was a big motivator for me and was a big part of the kind of structure that led to our acquisition by Google and subsequent efforts over my time at Google and since then have always been very focused on that question.

So yeah, I became an atheist and secular and, you know, a big believer in these kinds of rights frameworks for everyone.

Well, think about AI as a force amplifier.

So the question is, which force is it amplifying and which...