Mónica Guzmán

But certainty?

That's much worse.

Honestly, I think it's the only way.

It's the only way to turn out the temperature meaningfully is to go and check these assumptions because it's in the rawness of how we think about things.

And it's witnessing where people themselves are torn because that's another sort of harmful assumption we make is that the people who disagree with us are quite certain.

They're quite sure.

But then you go and talk to them and you talk in this generous way where you're open and candid.

And you see that things are more complex than you might've realized.

Just yesterday, I was at a university and hearing the story from a woman who is very, very pro-choice on the abortion debate and went out in the streets and protested after the reversal of Roe versus Wade, but has managed to maintain a very good friendship with someone who is very pro-life.

But one of the ways it feels that they've maintained that friendship is by never talking about abortion.

And after Roe was reversed, a door opened just to crack.

And she discovered that her pro-life friend

believes in exceptions to abortion bans in the case of rape and incest.

And she was shocked because she always assumed that her friend was so pro-life that she would want to ban abortion in absolutely all cases.

It blew her mind, right?

And so it was a reminder of when we're so certain of each other's views that we don't ask, we actually keep ourselves from knowing the truth about other people, even the people close to us.

even the perspectives of the people who are close to us.

And so how much are we missing when we don't get curious?

I think it's really unlikely that everyone in your circle or in anyone's circle really fully agrees with them on everything.

It's extremely unlikely.