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Nafeez Ahmed

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Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

So Nigel Farage is an interesting kind of character in this whole thing, because from the very beginning, he's played this really interesting game. And it's something that I think has kind of dropped out of the discourse here in the UK. Astonishingly, like our media just doesn't ever remember anything that happened like five minutes ago.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

So Nigel Farage is an interesting kind of character in this whole thing, because from the very beginning, he's played this really interesting game. And it's something that I think has kind of dropped out of the discourse here in the UK. Astonishingly, like our media just doesn't ever remember anything that happened like five minutes ago.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

So in the 1990s, when they founded UKIP, he founded it with Alex Sked. And he was like a kind of Eurosceptic academic. And at that time, UKIP was just pretty much a Eurosceptic party. But then, I think it was 97, there was a coup in UKIP. And Farage took over. And then Sked came out and said, the party's just been taken over by right-wing extremists. And then what happened later that year,

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

So in the 1990s, when they founded UKIP, he founded it with Alex Sked. And he was like a kind of Eurosceptic academic. And at that time, UKIP was just pretty much a Eurosceptic party. But then, I think it was 97, there was a coup in UKIP. And Farage took over. And then Sked came out and said, the party's just been taken over by right-wing extremists. And then what happened later that year,

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

Everything that happened seemed to bear that out. So Nigel Farage, he's now chairing this party. And then there's some scandals where it turns out that some members of the party happen to be basically neo-Nazis who were part of the BNP. It's like, oh, we didn't know that. So one guy, Mark Devin, I think his name was mentioned in the book, He was BNP's head of research.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

Everything that happened seemed to bear that out. So Nigel Farage, he's now chairing this party. And then there's some scandals where it turns out that some members of the party happen to be basically neo-Nazis who were part of the BNP. It's like, oh, we didn't know that. So one guy, Mark Devin, I think his name was mentioned in the book, He was BNP's head of research.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

Again, BNP, well-known neo-Nazi organization. So he was expelled from UKIP. And it turned out that he'd written a couple of months before or something, or a year before, he'd written some horrifying screed about very Protocols of the Angels of Zion type thing about Jews trying to take over the world and blah, blah, blah, blah.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

Again, BNP, well-known neo-Nazi organization. So he was expelled from UKIP. And it turned out that he'd written a couple of months before or something, or a year before, he'd written some horrifying screed about very Protocols of the Angels of Zion type thing about Jews trying to take over the world and blah, blah, blah, blah.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

Now, a couple of months after he was expelled, he reaches out to Nigel Farage for a meeting and And Nigel Farage says, yeah, yeah, cool. Let's go for lunch. Have a meeting. He meets this guy. He also in the room is Tony Lecombe. He's a criminal who was convicted of assaulting a Jewish school teacher and carrying explosives. Also a BNP member. So Dr. Farage just has a little lunch with these guys.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

Now, a couple of months after he was expelled, he reaches out to Nigel Farage for a meeting and And Nigel Farage says, yeah, yeah, cool. Let's go for lunch. Have a meeting. He meets this guy. He also in the room is Tony Lecombe. He's a criminal who was convicted of assaulting a Jewish school teacher and carrying explosives. Also a BNP member. So Dr. Farage just has a little lunch with these guys.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

A couple of months later, Devin writes an article in a far-right journal called Spearhead, where he says, you know, I think the BNP and UKIP should kind of, you know, work a bit more close together. And then magically, by some unfathomable coincidence, all these neo-Nazis suddenly start joining UKIP.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

A couple of months later, Devin writes an article in a far-right journal called Spearhead, where he says, you know, I think the BNP and UKIP should kind of, you know, work a bit more close together. And then magically, by some unfathomable coincidence, all these neo-Nazis suddenly start joining UKIP.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

And at this point in time, the membership clause which stops racist people from joining is not there. It's not operational for years. And then all these actual Nazis come into the organization. And I kind of trace this process in the book. And it's astonishing. So you kind of think, what was Nigel Farage thinking and doing at this time?

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

And at this point in time, the membership clause which stops racist people from joining is not there. It's not operational for years. And then all these actual Nazis come into the organization. And I kind of trace this process in the book. And it's astonishing. So you kind of think, what was Nigel Farage thinking and doing at this time?

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

And when people asked him about this, he just said, yeah, yeah, he reached out to me. So I had lunch with him.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

And when people asked him about this, he just said, yeah, yeah, he reached out to me. So I had lunch with him.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

I mean, if an anti-Semite and Nazi reaches out to you and says, can we meet for lunch? You don't reply and say, yeah, cool, let's go for it. She was just expelled from the party months ago. And you're like, no, I'll go meet this guy. What's going on? And that, to me, kind of sums up how Nigel Farage has worked this issue throughout his career.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

I mean, if an anti-Semite and Nazi reaches out to you and says, can we meet for lunch? You don't reply and say, yeah, cool, let's go for it. She was just expelled from the party months ago. And you're like, no, I'll go meet this guy. What's going on? And that, to me, kind of sums up how Nigel Farage has worked this issue throughout his career.

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

After that, he went on in the European Parliament to forge ties. He chaired this group, European Parliament, organized by these political groupings of parties, right? And his grouping, all of the members were basically neo-Nazi parties, right? All of them. And no one's talking about this. It's like, what is going on?

Pod Save the UK
Facts versus F-wits: how to fight the Alt Reich

After that, he went on in the European Parliament to forge ties. He chaired this group, European Parliament, organized by these political groupings of parties, right? And his grouping, all of the members were basically neo-Nazi parties, right? All of them. And no one's talking about this. It's like, what is going on?