Namwali Serpell

It's something that she's taking from what she believes is the social communal function of literature, which is to start conversation.

And this is one of the reasons that I love that we still have these massive debates online about movies and

It's like, this is exactly what a movie is supposed to do is start a conversation that we can work things out.

It's not supposed to tell you what to do.

It's supposed to ask you, what should we do?

Thank you so much.

Morrison loved James Joyce.

And we have Bloomsday, right?

This is always the example I give to people.

It's like we think of James Joyce as the book, one of the most difficult writers.

But every year, hundreds and now thousands of people gather in pubs across Dublin, read from that book aloud, read to read from Ulysses aloud as a community.

And to me, that is exactly the spirit that Morrison was writing in as well.

Thank you so much.

And thank you so much for having me on the show.

This is a wonderful conversation.