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Namwali Serpell

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
535 total appearances

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Fresh Air
Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

And I just thought this is the fact that.

Fresh Air
Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

I feel compelled to go back to this, that Morrison feels compelled to go back to this.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

This is something that just keeps haunting us and haunting the pages of the novels that we're trying to write.

Fresh Air
Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

But there's also this kind of really, as you say, painful sense that this just keeps happening.

Fresh Air
Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

And it's this kind of endless series of stories

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

young Black boys being killed, you know?

Fresh Air
Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

And there's something very spooky about feeling like this is a haunting that we're just not really able to exorcise.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

So when I was thinking about why I feel so drawn to Morrison in terms of the way she talks about racial politics, I was struck by the fact that we have very, very different upbringings.

Fresh Air
Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

And my blackness as Zambian, my blackness as an American, we're very different from hers growing up in Lorain, Ohio, and being someone who, as it turns out, never actually went to Africa, even though Africa is invoked a lot in her work.

Fresh Air
Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

And what I realized is that as she perceived in the work of someone like Chinua Achebe and

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

Blackness is so central to the way that I conceive of the world that there is a kind of โ€“ it's my default position because growing up in Zambia, you know, this is a majority black country.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

I'm surrounded by black people.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

I have a kind of awareness that.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

that black and brown people are the majority of the world.

Fresh Air
Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

And so the sense that we are somehow a minority, which is very much the rhetoric in the United States, was really strange to me.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

And Morrison somehow managed to have that same powerful sense of centrality and black centrality and black as the default.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

She says, when I say people, I mean black people.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

And some people, when they hear that, feel rejected or that she's marginalizing non-Black people.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

But it's just โ€“ I think it's just like that's her default mode.

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Have we been reading Toni Morrison all wrong?

That's just the way she thought about things.