Nancy Grace

Okay.

You know, it's interesting, and I'm going to have to go to a shrink on this, Dr. Gerilyn Utter joining us, but let me address the facts first.

I had, they call them, office spouse.

It was Al Dixon.

We did everything together when I wasn't with my investigator, Ernest.

We went to the district attorney, the county workout room occasionally.

That was very rare.

We would eat 99-cent soup because that's all we could afford in the jury cafeteria where we were not supposed to be.

He would help me if I was in a jam in court.

That is not an emotional affair.

I wouldn't even consider it.

I don't understand how talking to a friend...

How is that an emotional affair?

And I want to be very clear, Dr. Gerilyn Utter, guys, I didn't formally introduce her.

Dr. Utter is a clinical psychologist who specializes in psychological evaluations and risk assessments.

of people in the criminal justice system.

Translation, bad guys.

Author of Mainlining Philly, author of Aftershock, How Past Events Shake Up Your Life Today, producer of Utter Nonsense, a documentary exploring addiction and mental illness.

By the way, you can find her at drgerilynutter.com.

Dr. Gerilyn, I want to be clear.