Naomi McPherson

It's interesting.

I think the third record was so much about this idea of reclamation of desire and pleasure as these implicitly, I don't know, beneficial... Or benevolent.

Benevolent undertakings.

And then, yeah, I think that was almost intentional.

I think that was a conversation we had with this...

And the record as being like an inversion of that sort of like purity.

The idea that like our desire can lead us down paths that are self-destructive, like on Dancing on the Wall.

And then in Big Stick, like it's some, you know, a conversation more writ large.

I saw a really cool series of videos that a fan made about like talking about desire and

or the theme of control over our records.

And it was kind of a breakdown of control on Dancing on the Wall.

And first of all, it's so cute and cool that people...

spend that much time you know what I mean like I love hearing like if somebody wrote like a paper for like college course or something on like our music I just think that's so cool but she said something that I thought was astute and honestly like helpful for explaining it which was like

that a lot of times like in Moona songs, I'm talking about desire and feeling like a loss of control over desire or like maybe I'm the one in a dynamic who has the control or I'm taking back control in like a song like Anything But Me.

But like Big Stick is a song that's talking about like larger forces that have control over

to manipulate our desires and I think that like in this day and age it's an experience that everybody with a smartphone has that like our behavior is being like modified by the technology that we're using and like our desires can be manipulated in so many ways like whether it's like the type of media that we're consuming or like the conversations that we're having with people around us or like the manipulation of just like

financial need like so then you have to like have cognitive dissonance to like repress certain things that you know are wrong and just keep moving forward the song gets to a place of like at the end of the line there's like always like the manipulation of just like hard power

if you speak up too much, like, you can be put in jail or worse, you know?

And, like, actually, my reference for this song was that song Handlebars by Flowbots.

Do you remember this song?