Nat Towsen

It's that the industry has restructured how it's actually employing people.

That's like a sandwich here.

It's a good sandwich.

Mm-hmm.

Well, one thing I'd love to discuss in further depth, Matt, and well, for both of you, but Matt, on this particular topic is maybe in a future episode, we could go more in depth into how do we craft a response to a gradually occurring problem?

Obviously, this is the economic impact of the Strait of Hormuz being closed is the short term, shorter term thing I'm thinking about, which is that, you know, how do we get people to care about this, even though it hasn't fully affected us economically yet?

But of course, then I liken it to climate change, right?

Like how do we craft a long-term strategy?

How do we craft a long-term strategy for a problem that just doesn't make people panic, that doesn't make people reactive?

And I think that's an interesting thing because I think both parties have...

Succeeded and failed in different ways, but it's going to become an increasingly important, you know, alarmism is some ways to get people to vote and get people to react.

But a lot of problems that Democrats need to address are not going to be dealt with in a day.

And the problems don't present themselves as obviously.

So I'd love to in the future talk about like how we can try to affect more long term changes and more gradual changes, because it's a tricky issue.

And a lot of our issues rely on that kind of strategy.

First time in 60 years, not the market.

That's the thing.

He's not going, oh, do you not like that?

I'll change.

I'll just be whatever you want me to be.