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So the, it's been different.

It's incredible.

So to be clear, that's like there's no transmission that can be interrupted because they're pre-programmed.

So they're not detectable in that same way.

Yeah.

I don't mean to interrupt.

I just want to make sure our listeners understand who are the players having these conversations.

And you're saying that it was pretty optimistic or overly optimistic even in the framing of it, you think?

I have a question that's just jumping off of that, though, which is because you're talking a lot about the front.

And I'm curious, I should have said this earlier, but we are we're recording this on Tuesday, June 16th.

So right now, the G7 summit is currently happening as we discuss this.

And I believe that Ukraine has

drone-striked an oil refinery today, an oil facility today, according to Zelensky in response to a couple attacks on Kyiv.

For the listener, on Monday, June 15th, Russia bombed Kyiv and other civilian areas, destroyed, I believe it damaged a church in Kyiv.

I'm curious, in these kinds of strikes, are these things asymmetrical in terms of, it seems like Ukraine's very tactically attacking Ukraine,

refineries, military bases, sources of power.

Is this asymmetrical in terms of attacks on civilian populations?

Or am I just reading the news asymmetrically myself?

And is Ukraine employing the same tactic, or is it a little more tactical as my perception was?

Because I'm not proclaiming to be an expert.