Natalie Cassidy

That's her only evening to come around.

She's really busy.

So then Laura's going to do bath and hair wash with Joni, get Joni to bed whilst we're upstairs doing that.

Okay.

I give Joni a lovely big kiss, say goodnight to her, because obviously I'm going to be up here holed up.

And Eliza, I'll see afterwards.

And she's just chilling on her phone, robotically looking at her phone, which I usually... You see, when you're doing podding...

at that sort of the witching hour, it's quite difficult to say to your teenager, let me have the phone.

And now I'm going to fuck off for two hours because I'm not spending time with her.

It's very difficult.

So, you know, you kind of give into the phone and actually she was on a video call to friends and she was texting, you know, she's, she's nearly 14.

You know, I have to let it go a bit.

Again, it was lots of ice and just a glass each.

Not a big deal, the Shubbley, but it was mum guilt.

So it was very open.

It was a good one last night.

I had lots of messages from people and voice notes.

And it was me and Maria talking about, you know, being mums, working hard and, you know, just what you're permanently guilty about everything.

That feeling.

What can you do?