Natalie Joy

But like basically Marciano, it sounds like what happened is they go out, they get drinking, go to go drinking, they get fucked up and Marciano wakes up the next day and just like assumes he had sex with Jesse.

That part felt kind of made up, but I don't know.

We didn't see him, but we ran into the Cameo ladies who work for the company Cameo, and they had a dinner with, and he was like the featured guest.

You don't need to respect him, Susie.

It's fine.

Yeah.

And I think he justified saying that because he couldn't remember, you know?

So it wasn't like a, it's like, I think he convinced himself it wasn't a lie, you know, in a sense.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, like you can almost picture to me being like, well, clearly you guys had sex.

Of course.

What do you mean you slept in the same bed and didn't have sex type of thing?

He's like, you're right.

I fuck, you know, like I can see how he convinced himself in a way where like it almost felt like he wasn't lying in a crazy way.

But clearly he was.

What do you guys think about the Jesse and Jordan relationship?

Obviously, we dive deep into it.

Tomorrow's going deeper in the relationship.

But this is one of those classic conversations about you never want to justify infidelity.