Natalie Joy

And in June 2021, his father was dying, so his fixer was dying.

And his problems just kept escalating, the problems from...

Paul Murdoch and the boat, Paul, his son, and the boat crash and the lawsuit and problems with the millions of dollars that he was stealing and could not give back and could not keep up anymore.

And I just think, I also think that like murder is never something that anybody really understands.

I mean, do you guys, I think that like the motive is basically he was trying, he had too many problems and was looking around and he thought he could get sympathy from the

And it's horrible.

The murder of his wife and son.

But and a lot of people say that's crazy.

But like most murder motives are crazy.

Does it make sense to you guys?

I actually watched it live.

I could I was like one of the journalists selected to be able to go.

But I could watch better from I've been to a million court hearings in my career and I

I can never hear what's going on.

I have ADHD, so I have to really focus on what's happening in front of me.

So it was just me and my laptop and my husband watching the trial.

We had a trailer outside of...

the trial and I would go there sometimes and watch it and like and talk to the people who were being like Mark Tensley would be a question on the stand and then he would come to our trailer to talk afterwards, things like that.

I also heard from sources that he never called him Papa, but it also makes Alex look, like, more ridiculous on the show when he calls him Papa because he's, like, a grown kid.

Like, it's a 21-year-old he's talking to, not, like, a baby.