Natalie Kietroweth

And I guess then even if you buy the premise that there's utility in these bets, I think it's worth asking what the cost of that is.

Like what it does to us as a society to suddenly be relating to the real world and sometimes to real world suffering in this kind of gamified way.

Well David thanks for coming on the show.

We'll be right back.

Here's what else you need to know today.

President Trump signed a bill that ended the partial government shutdown on Tuesday, hours after it passed the House.

The legislation funds much of the government for the rest of the year, except for the Department of Homeland Security, which was only funded until the end of next week.

Democrats are insisting on new restrictions for federal immigration agents before extending that funding.

And Trump now has 10 days to strike a deal with them before it expires.

And House Republicans canceled a vote to hold Bill and Hillary Clinton in criminal contempt of Congress.

The move came after the Clintons agreed to testify on camera in the Jeffrey Epstein investigation and requested to be deposed at public hearings.

The agreement marked an end to a months-long standoff between Republicans and the Clintons, who had resisted testifying and accused the GOP of carrying out a political vendetta against them.

When asked about the developments, Trump expressed empathy for the Clintons.

I hate to see it in many ways.

I hate to see it.

They will appear on February 26th and 27th for depositions.

Today's episode was produced by Ricky Nowetzki, Nina Feldman, Claire Tenesketter, and Rochelle Bonja.

It was edited by Chris Haxel and Devin Taylor.

Contains music by Rowan Nemisto and Alisha Ba'etup.

And was engineered by Chris Wood.