Natalie Kitroa

actually wants here.

What do you guys actually think the end games are here, the actual end games for both sides, for the U.S.

and Israel?

And I'd imagine those goals could also change, especially for Trump, if he starts to worry about this war becoming really costly and unpopular.

Right.

You're saying that even in this new world where you have the U.S.

and Israel going after Iran, striking Iran, going to war with Iran together, that lockstep cooperation hasn't yet, at least, yielded the kind of solutions that actually would make things better for Israelis, better for the regions.

Well, Mark, Ronan, thank you both so much.

Here's what else you need to know today.

On Wednesday, the U.S.-Israeli bombardment of Iran became a wider international crisis.

NATO was drawn into the conflict when its air defenses shot down an Iranian ballistic missile headed toward Turkey, a NATO member.

A U.S.

submarine destroyed an Iranian warship off the coast of Sri Lanka, killing dozens who were on board.

During a news conference, U.S.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said that the attack demonstrated the reach and resolve of the U.S.

military as it seeks to decimate Iran's military.

Finally, Iran's leaders appeared close to naming a new supreme leader, likely the son of the late Ayatollah Khamenei, who was killed last weekend.

But Israel's defense minister said that if the next supreme leader followed the same ideology as Khamenei, he would become, quote, a target for elimination.

Today's episode was produced by Ricky Nowetzki, Caitlin O'Keefe, and Stella Tan.

It was edited by Devin Taylor and Paige Cowett, with help from Chris Haxel.