Natalie Kitroeff

Right.

It's just a major loss for the Cuban regime.

And having covered Mexico as the bureau chief there, I can say that the president, Claudia Sheinbaum, just it must have been an incredibly wrenching moment for her.

She's a leftist.

She's the daughter of Marxists.

I mean, she led student protests in the 60s.

She has been an outspoken supporter of the Cuban government.

And I

I can imagine that she's looking at this situation where she's really between a rock and a hard place.

I mean, Trump's not giving her or any country much of a choice here.

Right.

The Castro's are no longer in power.

It's been a long time since the revolution.

I mean, things have changed on the island, too.

You're right.

Yeah.

So I think that brings us to the present day where this policy has now really put Cuba in this extremely difficult situation where conditions on the ground are just very dire.

No oil is coming in.

And this island seems close to an all out humanitarian crisis.

My question is, how in the minds of Marco Rubio and President Trump do you get from a humanitarian crisis to regime change?