Natalie Kitroeff

Because you've both said El Mencho, for example, has plenty of people waiting in the wings to succeed him.

I mean, we have seen history shows that taking out the boss of a cartel does not automatically eliminate the entire organization underneath him.

When I was in Sinaloa, I talked to cartel leaders who said, if you take me out, there's 10 more guys waiting to take my place.

So what is the recipe for long-term success here, for actually, as you said, Maria, dislodging these groups from the country?

Given that this is such an intractable problem, I'm just curious if we know at what point President Trump is going to be satisfied with the progress that Mexico is making.

Like, do we know if this move to take out El Mencho might have appeased Trump and bought the Mexican government some time?

You're saying the goalposts moving, that could be seen as a good thing.

Like in one way, it's a bait and switch, but in another, that's kind of just how progress works.

Well, Jack, Maria, thank you both so much.

Thanks so much for having us.

We'll be right back.

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