Natalie Kitroeff

And his support amongst independents has utterly collapsed, all due to Iran.

That's right.

He's completely underwater when it comes to the independents, and he's losing the people who enabled his victory in 2024.

So what happens to those voters?

Do they stay home?

Do they support Democrats?

The question is, will voters trust Democrats, voters who have stayed away from Democrats?

And will the Democratic brand...

that has really, really eroded over the last decade, somehow managed to be burnished in a way that is sellable to voters?

Will Democrats just content themselves with saying, look at Trump and his stupid war, look at Trump and the cost of gas spiraling, look at Trump and his intransigence on the Epstein files, when they've yet to come up with their own sort of forward-thinking positive message that

persuades people that maybe Democrats aren't so bad after all.

I've yet to see any winning message in that regard coalesce.

It's just been Trump bad, which may be enough for the 2026 midterms.

But it remains to be seen whether or not that's going to be a sellable message two years later.

Sure, that's right.

I mean, it's really difficult to tell how it's going to play out.

And you can see that sort of hesitancy, even in the administration, where Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, who has been, alongside Trump, the public face of this war—

And you could see Rubio, I mean, on the one hand, you know, him coming out and saying, look, we did this because we said we could see Israel was going to do it if we didn't.

And then having to walk it back in essence and say, no, no, no.

I mean, that's not what I was trying to say at all.