Natalie Kitroff

Yeah, there's something deeply unsettling about all of that.

Okay, and I want to ask about that future.

I mean...

Are we on a runaway train?

The speed with which this is changing feels hard to even capture, honestly.

And I wonder if you think about the progress made over one year, what's the next year?

What can we expect?

Kevin, one of my favorite humans.

Thank you so much for coming on the show.

I really appreciate it.

He has.

Yeah.

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