Natalie Kitroweth

We'll be right back. Okay, Kashmir, before we go any further, I just have to ask, how much of this dynamic is specific to Irene and her very particular circumstances? I understand that people are increasingly using chatbots in more intimate ways, but is this version a little out there? Is it an anomaly?

We'll be right back. Okay, Kashmir, before we go any further, I just have to ask, how much of this dynamic is specific to Irene and her very particular circumstances? I understand that people are increasingly using chatbots in more intimate ways, but is this version a little out there? Is it an anomaly?

Okay, so part of the training and development of these models actually leads toward a kind of chatbot that is serving up exactly what the user wants to hear. But... Is this healthy, this kind of relationship?

Okay, so part of the training and development of these models actually leads toward a kind of chatbot that is serving up exactly what the user wants to hear. But... Is this healthy, this kind of relationship?

But Isn't a real relationship also just in part about having someone who can reflect back to you the things you might not want to see, who isn't so sycophantic, who's, you know, helping you actually confront your defects and deal with them?

But Isn't a real relationship also just in part about having someone who can reflect back to you the things you might not want to see, who isn't so sycophantic, who's, you know, helping you actually confront your defects and deal with them?

Right, right. I mean, I think we all might fantasize about the world where we're not getting in any fights with our partner. But the truth is that partnership is also about challenging each other.

Right, right. I mean, I think we all might fantasize about the world where we're not getting in any fights with our partner. But the truth is that partnership is also about challenging each other.

Right. I can imagine that if you've never had a real romantic relationship, you don't really know what one is, and this is your first and real only experience with it, there are some risks in that relationship.

Right. I can imagine that if you've never had a real romantic relationship, you don't really know what one is, and this is your first and real only experience with it, there are some risks in that relationship.

Did you talk to Irene about any of this, about these blurred lines between reality and this created fantasy world? What does she think about some of this stuff?

Did you talk to Irene about any of this, about these blurred lines between reality and this created fantasy world? What does she think about some of this stuff?

Love takes many forms, I guess. Kashmir, thanks for coming on the show. Thanks, Natalie. We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today. The growing rift between the US and France over the war in Ukraine was unmistakable during a meeting between President Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron at the White House on Monday.

Love takes many forms, I guess. Kashmir, thanks for coming on the show. Thanks, Natalie. We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today. The growing rift between the US and France over the war in Ukraine was unmistakable during a meeting between President Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron at the White House on Monday.

Amid handshakes, hugs, and compliments, the two leaders struck very different notes on the causes of the conflict in Ukraine and the path to resolving it. Trump predicted a peace deal could be made between Russia and Ukraine within weeks. But he made no mention of Ukrainian sovereignty, he refused to call Vladimir Putin a dictator, and he falsely claimed that the U.S.

Amid handshakes, hugs, and compliments, the two leaders struck very different notes on the causes of the conflict in Ukraine and the path to resolving it. Trump predicted a peace deal could be made between Russia and Ukraine within weeks. But he made no mention of Ukrainian sovereignty, he refused to call Vladimir Putin a dictator, and he falsely claimed that the U.S.

had spent three times as much on the war as Europe. Macron made clear that Russia was to blame for the war, and corrected President Trump's false statements about European aid. And... Roberta Flack, the singer and pianist whose elegant blend of soul, jazz, and folk made her one of the most popular artists of the 1970s, died at the age of 88.

had spent three times as much on the war as Europe. Macron made clear that Russia was to blame for the war, and corrected President Trump's false statements about European aid. And... Roberta Flack, the singer and pianist whose elegant blend of soul, jazz, and folk made her one of the most popular artists of the 1970s, died at the age of 88.

Flack, who grew up in a segregated town in Virginia, got her big break playing piano at an upscale opera-themed restaurant in Washington, D.C.

Flack, who grew up in a segregated town in Virginia, got her big break playing piano at an upscale opera-themed restaurant in Washington, D.C.