Natalie Nixon

And so she'll ask the person, well, did you ask her?

Did you ask her if she would like to get extra training and exercise?

Well, no.

I mean, she doesn't seem like she does, but...

You know, and turn out this person totally would be open to extra training in this particular area.

They would love it if someone else could partner with them so they could share the work.

So we have to use our words.

We have to be self-aware.

We have to ask questions.

But it actually does start with how we are monitoring our own behavior.

Right, right.

I think that's a really good point.

And I think that points out that the role of gamification, not that everything has to be a game, but really what is play?

Play is a big thing.

area of behavior in terms of work that I explored in Move, Think, Rest.

And I interviewed Brendan Boyle, who is a toy designer.

He teaches a course on play at Stanford D School.

And I went out to Stanford, observed the class, participated a bit in the class, interviewed Brendan.

And he defines play as engagement.

The reason why the kids are so engaged out in the hallway