Natalie Winters

Yeah, let's go ahead and play the Jim Jordan clip, Denver.

I'm sorry, but I thought Representative Jordan presents himself as Mr. Tough on China, not making back-channel phone calls to, like, CCP assets pushing very detrimental policies to our national security.

Can you walk us... Am I crazy?

What did we just...

That is an absolutely perfect segue because we are just coming up against a break, but we will come back.

But this is the point.

All these people talk very tough on China.

It's very cool.

We hear it's bipartisan, but in reality, they talk tough on China to inflate the defense spending and we never see anything in return while pushing bizarre programs like this.

We'll be right back.

You're back in the war room.

I think there, Cleo, another sort of interesting moment of the mask dropping.

They think they're just talking on some show, but there's an interesting tell there where it's like they are targeting people because of their proximity and influence to President Trump.

I think the operative question there being like...

who is they, right?

She doesn't really specify.

I think you and I can probably fill in that blank.

But can you sort of explain how this is like a pattern that is more broadly replicated, even down to the level of personnel infiltration in the Trump administration?

So where do we stand on the personnel front?

Have we seen any movement?