Natalie Winters

and the audience that you have, you've created because they actually do stuff.

They understand action, action, action and accountability.

That is not what Silicon Valley and all these tech people are about.

They are about fakeness and distraction and pumping fake value and like you said, socializing the risk.

And right now, it's like the Mark Zuckerberg performative ending the fact check.

That's not it.

These people, frankly, belong in prison, and that's the opening bid for what they did in the 2020 election.

But I think the scariest people are the ones who pretend to be your friends as compared to the people who will stay firm on their convictions.

And you see that in the Carp article today, talking about how he used to be buddy-buddy with Democrats, and now he's hanging out with Trump.

People like that, beware.

Well, yeah, we definitely got to go through all the details on that one because it's just maddening.

But I think the point that I would make broadly, people like Jensen Huang, people like all of these sort of China simps, people like David Sachs, is that I've never liked the idea of the... I can save it for after the break.

Well, I'm going to make that sentence even more interesting.

I don't know if simp has ever been used in the same context as the Thucydides trap, but we're going to go there.

But, you know, they treat it, right, like it's, as you would say, a law of physics that you have, you know, a rising power and then you have the United States.

There's going to be some form of conflict.

And they always sort of use that.

paradigm to explain how China is going to eventually overtake the United States.

But I've never liked that because there's sort of this passive, you know, agency and autonomy-less view of what the United States can do to prevent that conflict.

And people like David Sachs, people like Jensen Huang, that sort of ilk, not even the outright pro-China collaborating faction, but the sort of euphemistic wishy-washy crowd,