Natasha Singer

And because of these coding agents, I probably can't build the kind of things myself anymore I want.

So maybe I'm going to go into architecture.

But I think you're asking a really profound question, which is, how is the nature of work changing in all fields?

And how does that affect what it means to be human?

Because at least in the United States, there are many people whose identities are wrapped up in their jobs.

And I think we're

in the beginning of a profound shift about what work is and how AI tools will affect it and what kinds of jobs are going to go away.

Like when I talked to high school students, they were like, well, my whole life I wanted to go into computer generated graphic, you know, animation, making animated films.

And now AI can do that.

And so maybe I'm going to be a social worker because my dream job is not going to exist in a few years.

Thanks for having us.

Thanks so much for asking such provocative questions.

It's completely unexpected.

We've seen over the last two years a kind of remarkable spike in unemployment among recent college grads seeking software engineering and other tech jobs.

And let me give you some numbers just to illustrate that.

Among recent college grads aged 22 to 27,

Computer science and computer engineering majors are facing some of the highest unemployment rates, 6.1% and 7.5% respectively, according to this new report from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

That's more than twice the unemployment rate among recent biology grads, which is just 3%.

Right.

And as a reporter who spent more than a decade studying Silicon Valley's influence on American education—