Nate Hagens

But let me just ask you this before I ask my closing questions that I ask all my guests.

What if someone who is a longtime watcher of this podcast and has learned a lot about climate change and energy depletion and geopolitics and biodiversity and evolutionary biology, they hear this conversation and they're like,

That's just woo.

Why is that relevant?

I don't think that.

I actually see the interconnectors between your story and mine.

But what would you say to someone that had that reaction?

Can you speculate for me, fast forward five or ten years, and there is this ego transcendence in a meaningful percentage of the population, whether through darkness practice or meditation or psychedelics or whatever?

LSD in the water system.

I think Leary had it, right?

Right.

Um, that reference I did understand.

Um, the, what could you see happening?

Like in a group of humans, if you have one or two of them, uh, being able to have this experience versus 90% of them, does that change the social interaction of that group?

Yes.

And have you seen that?

So thank you so much for this erudite whirlwind.

If you have a few more minutes, there are some standard questions I ask my guests.

This is so fun.

So what can someone listening to this episode do now, today, this week, or this month to generally help address the issues discussed in this podcast writ large, or is it all up to politicians and leaders?