Nate Hagens

all the SKUs in our supermarkets might simplify, but our relationship with the natural world and the web of life is going to hopefully re-complexify.

Yeah, good.

But talk more about that if you'd like.

So from time to time, people, when I meet them in person, they ask me, Nate, how would you answer your magic wand question?

And I think I would answer with just that.

Every single town and city in our nation would have some sort of a committee like that that worked 10 to 15 hours a week.

We learned and did stuff on the ground right now with people in the community to restore our ecological situation.

That makes so much sense to me.

And it's really kind of sad because especially the viewers of this program around the world.

are starved for things to do.

They want to do something.

Now they don't know what to do.

That's right.

And I think this is a low-hanging fruit wherever you live, right?

So people like you times thousands or millions act as conductors or facilitators to help that process.

this is compelling to me.

And so based on what we've talked about so far, the argument for what you refer to as living systems management is pretty clear from a climate and ecological standpoint.

But what I've learned over the years of doing this podcast is many people are probably not swayed by that angle on this.

So for those individuals who

hear you and have that response, can you lay out your best argument for why living system management is also critical for meeting the human needs and wellbeing in our communities, especially I'll re bring it in now as we approach a lower energy and material throughput world.