Nate Hagens

So 10,000 years ago, we didn't know it at the time, but that was effectively the Garden of Eden, which has been slowly degraded with increasing acceleration of late.

But back then, we're living off the interest, all the humans that were alive then.

And it was way more than we needed.

So we never even thought about it.

But now we're living off the interest.

Latest data is 40% of the net primary productivity on the planet is diverted to human endeavors.

And historical data.

primary productivity in the form of fossil fuels.

So we are using a much greater amount than today's plus 50%.

We're using today's plus 1,000% in the form of ancient productivity in coal, oil, and natural gas, right?

The sad thing is, is in the last 10,000 years, those things you just mentioned were only 150, 200 years ago.

Personally have not watched a documentary on the Dust Bowl, and I'll put that on my list.

But if you could just briefly say, what did those millions of people do and how what were the ecological treatments that that resulted in the change?

So let me briefly summarize and ask you a question.

These farmers in other countries...

who are very poor are watching videos from some American ecologist regenerative farmers and making change where they live.

I have to ask you, is it the fact that they have, to use your words, close to nothing that sprung them into this direction?

Why is it that the United States is not taking the lead on some of these things and it's happening elsewhere in the world?

Or is that a true statement?

Was Vandana Shiva involved in that?