Nate Hagens

Okay, now I have a lot of questions.

So you follow the podcast.

You know I'm concerned about that our economic system just hit an iceberg with what's unfolding in the Strait of Hormuz and complexity and energy supplies.

Let's just for now assume that all aside and assume that we're going to get back to business as usual from an economic standpoint.

What you're saying is even if that were true,

This living systems management for where we live in our watersheds, in our bioregions is going to be essential to make sure that we don't turn into desert and lose the ecological biocapacity that we have now in heading into a period when we're going to need more biocapacity in spades for many other reasons, right?

So we're not even including the energy, the carbon pulse,

economic debt, international globalization dependence aspects.

Well, there's two questions there.

One is, do we have the technical capacity and wherewithal to increase the planetary biocapacity by 50%?

You can guess the second question.

It's Ehrlichian.

If we increase the biocapacity with our current governance and value systems and cultural aspirations, we will eat it and somehow go further into ecological overshoot.

Or would we?

Well, that's a question for you.

Actually, I've thought about this this weekend, and let me take this moment to clarify that.

The podcast title was a nod to Joseph Tainer and that we complexify using energy.

The label The Great Simplification is talking about our economy and our debt and our throughput and that.

But you are right that from a wider boundary perspective, our economy and our –

all the SKUs in our supermarkets might simplify, but our relationship with the natural world and the web of life is going to hopefully re-complexify.