Nate Hagens

But I'm starting to suspect that my hunger and my drive to nail down the definition, to get that clean sentence or paragraph and to file it away as something I understand

is perhaps the most Western thing about me.

The grasping itself is the wall.

So I will leave it where it actually sits for me today, which is unfinished.

Maybe the gift here was never going to be that I finally understand non-duality.

Maybe it's a smaller and more honest and a bit more potent than that.

It's just that my grip has loosened a little.

And the certainty that I'm in here and everything else is out there gets a hairline crack in it.

And then a bit more light gets through than it did yesterday.

I have not learned it, the term or the practice.

But I have definitely learned to stop being so sure that I'm separate.

Talk to you next week.

Have a good weekend.

You're listening to The Great Simplification.

I'm Nate Hagans.

On this show, we describe how energy, the economy, the environment, and human behavior all fit together and what it might mean for our future.

By sharing insights from global thinkers, we hope to inform and inspire more humans to play emergent roles in the coming great simplification.

Today I'm joined by consciousness scholar and meditation practitioner, Andrew Holachek, for an in-depth look at our most important and accessible tool for navigating the great simplification, the human mind.

Andrew Holachek is an interdisciplinary scholar practitioner in non-dual wisdom traditions and is actively involved in scientific research on what ended up being the main topic of today's conversation, dark retreat,

with the University of Wisconsin-Madison and the Institute for Advanced Consciousness Studies.