Nate Rott

Because she says, you know, nature, as we all know, is in a super vulnerable place right now.

And there are so many examples where well-intentioned human interventions have gone wrong.

There are so many times that people introduced an animal purposely or accidentally and sometimes well-intentioned, and it upset the existing ecosystem.

And Riccardo says when it comes to synthetic biology, there's a lot of hype around it.

Yeah, so the other proposal basically says, OK, like if conservationists are going to explore using these technologies, here's how we should do it.

But Sue Lieberman says even that was controversial at the recent meeting.

That scientists like Anthony Waddell, who we heard from earlier, are already doing this research.

Scientists are looking right now at how to genetically modify coral to be more resistant to hotter temperatures in the water.

How to alter trees like the American chestnut to be more resistant to disease.

So from her point of view, the horse is out of the barn.

And the fear I heard from people who opposed this moratorium, people like Sue, was that it would make it harder for researchers to fund research in this area.

Here's Ryan Phelan, the co-founder and executive director of the nonprofit Revive and Restore, which provides funding for synthetic biology conservation efforts.

Yeah.

So in Ryan's opinion, and I heard this from pretty much everybody who supports the use of synthetic biology, is that when you consider like how fast the climate is changing right now and how poorly we've done to this point globally at stopping issues like deforestation.

They voted no on the moratorium by like a hair.

And yes, on a framework to integrate synthetic biology into conservation with like all of the safeguards that we mentioned.

Well, they're not going to just like instantly release a bunch of stuff into the wild.

Like that's still going to take a lot of time.

But in terms of the debate, I think this is still very much up for discussion.

Like everyone I talk to thinks this will show up again at the next big IUCN meeting.