Nate Sloan

I mean, just look what's happening to Chaperone.

You know, just every moment people are looking for an opportunity to take down those who are

who are riding high.

I mean, I think that Train appeared in our Worst Lyrics Ever episode.

People have made fun of lyrics like the best soy latte that you ever had.

In a certain way, that song very much dates Drops of Jupiter.

Soy lattes, very popular in the 90s.

Now we have every kind of alternative milk, not just soy.

And so...

Oat milk, what, pea protein.

Yeah, right.

Everything is possible.

And yet, we've probably talked about this many times on the show, but Taylor Swift got away with a misheard lyric about Starbucks lovers and everyone had a great time with that.

I have no problem with highly specific lyrical content.

In many ways, I think some of the ways that they were writing presages the style of very diaristic songwriting that we have today.

And you know what else is interesting is when we did that episode with Sam Sanders and we had listeners send in what they considered to be the lamest lyrics in pop history, I would say for every one person who sent in a train lyric as an example of a bad lyric, there were three defenders saying, actually, this song is brilliant and here's why.

So I think this polarizing reception of the band, it all comes back to this song, Drops of Jupiter.

And it's the 25th anniversary of the release of this track.

So, I mean, there's no better time to sit down with the architect of all of this and talk about whether he knew the song would be a hit, what he thinks of a cover by, guess who, Taylor Swift.

No, really?