Nathalie Kitroeff

The wide-scale bombing of Gaza.

This is very much top of mind.

So this kid who grew up a lefty progressive no longer really sees himself in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

And does he make good on that threat?

It's kind of wild to conceive of because, you know, you told us that in the first Trump term, Karp was very open about being against the administration, against Trump himself.

Do you think he was trying to talk himself into supporting Trump in part because he saw there could be just a huge business opportunity there?

So I want to ask, given the trajectory that you've sketched out for us of this incredibly powerful company, Palantir, being driven at least in part by the evolution of its CEO, Carp, we've been talking about the work that Palantir does as being influenced by Carp's personal politics.

But I have to ask, do you see his journey from anti-Trump to now all in on the administration as purely ideological?

Or is it about money?

Because the shift has obviously been incredibly profitable for the company.

On the issues he says he cares about, immigration, for example, does he engage at all on the questions that people are raising about ICE using the data that it has on the people in this country to, you know, snatch people off the streets, break up families, that kind of thing?

Meaning what?

It's worth noting that there are people who believe that Donald Trump, while democratically elected, is leaning toward autocratic tactics himself.

And it sounds like Karp doesn't believe that.

He believes there are many worse options out there.

But did you ask him at all about the rise of this anti-Semitic wing of the far right?

I'm thinking specifically in this case of Nick Fuentes, the white nationalist who is apparently quite popular with young conservative men in particular.

Just to step back, Michael, you've described this evolution of CARP, a guy who grew up as a progressive and is now out defending Trump on some of his most aggressive policies.

I'm wondering how we should think about the fact that CARP is running a company that essentially enables Trump's work.

Do you think that CARP can accurately assess when the Trump administration's policies potentially tip over into violating people's civil liberties or potentially become more authoritarian in nature?