Nedum Onuoha

So having been somebody, for example, who's been in the bottom three playing against big sides, especially at home, that game to you is everything.

To Arsenal, they kind of know it's everything, but the midweek game in the Champions League was objectively like everything to them.

And that was such a high that the next game can't really be that high, in my opinion.

Like you can't continue to perform at that sort of level.

So I think in some ways it was the down that was probably expected after they made it to the Champions League final.

against a tough side who were desperate for the points.

So I think West Ham played their part within that.

But yeah, for Arsenal, like, you've just got to celebrate that because the boost that they can get from a game which was, everyone was adding up as a letdown spot.

I think I'm at peace with it.

But no, definitely not.

It's brilliant, you know.

Obviously, we said at the start, your bias will sort of define how you see anything in particular.

And I've got loads of Arsenal fans in my life that were drawing up this conspiracy list of all these decisions going against them.

And then on the weekend, you see, this is correct now.

This is correct, this is perfect.

Everything is great with referees.

You know, right decision, more power to them.

Just like that.

I don't know.

Joe, could you explain to us then sort of the conditions whereby, say, a club like Hearts can say that in the next 10 years they believe that they can be competing with Rangers and Celtic because, you know, for the dominance that they've had across decades now, is it more so about what you can achieve with Hearts or also a message about where Rangers and Celtic are relatively speaking compared to, say, recent history?