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And, like, he will try to direct resources on anything. And, you know, I do think, you know, we both worked for President Obama. And, you know, like something would happen, you know, he would try to see how he could fix it, right? And even if Congress was out of the way, he'd kind of think about how he'd try to fix it another way.

And, like, he will try to direct resources on anything. And, you know, I do think, you know, we both worked for President Obama. And, you know, like something would happen, you know, he would try to see how he could fix it, right? And even if Congress was out of the way, he'd kind of think about how he'd try to fix it another way.

And sometimes people would malign that as, like, Pat and Penn strategy. But actually it was a how do we fix this problem strategy. People, I thought, I think it's always important to communicate that you are trying to fix the problem. Get caught trying. But actually, you're trying to fix the problem, whether it's through Congress, through the executive branch, or any other way.

And sometimes people would malign that as, like, Pat and Penn strategy. But actually it was a how do we fix this problem strategy. People, I thought, I think it's always important to communicate that you are trying to fix the problem. Get caught trying. But actually, you're trying to fix the problem, whether it's through Congress, through the executive branch, or any other way.

And, you know, I think this is the way governors think a lot.

And, you know, I think this is the way governors think a lot.

I shouldn't smile. It's very grim.

I shouldn't smile. It's very grim.

I mean, it's really these executive orders are like press releases, honestly. Yeah.

I mean, it's really these executive orders are like press releases, honestly. Yeah.

Well, I'm also like, I just wish we could have gotten away with this tactic of just doing a press release and people obeying ahead of a time.

Well, I'm also like, I just wish we could have gotten away with this tactic of just doing a press release and people obeying ahead of a time.

The great notions of like asking agencies how it would affect people. Yeah, it's kind of a crazy thing.

The great notions of like asking agencies how it would affect people. Yeah, it's kind of a crazy thing.

You know, I actually think we've turned a real corner in the last couple of weeks. And I don't know if it's like Harvard stood up or Democrats getting a spine on immigration issues, like on the deportation issues. But I actually think that, or maybe it's just Trump has done so much that the levels of chaos with the tariffs and the economic issues

You know, I actually think we've turned a real corner in the last couple of weeks. And I don't know if it's like Harvard stood up or Democrats getting a spine on immigration issues, like on the deportation issues. But I actually think that, or maybe it's just Trump has done so much that the levels of chaos with the tariffs and the economic issues

the economic dislocations have all just like gone into a whirlwind. But I, you know, I do think fundamentally he is in a very different place. And honestly, you know, he's got a great communications, a range of communications assets. But the truth of the first 100 days is that I think he will, people will look back at this and say he used a lot of his political capital

the economic dislocations have all just like gone into a whirlwind. But I, you know, I do think fundamentally he is in a very different place. And honestly, you know, he's got a great communications, a range of communications assets. But the truth of the first 100 days is that I think he will, people will look back at this and say he used a lot of his political capital

in ways that were ultimately squandered. Most of his EOs are being shut down by the courts. There are temporary restraining orders. And he is actually, his administration is obeying most of those TROs. So I think he kind of came in and thought, I'm going to do all these executive actions, and he's actually been quite limited. And it is really important that people are standing up.

in ways that were ultimately squandered. Most of his EOs are being shut down by the courts. There are temporary restraining orders. And he is actually, his administration is obeying most of those TROs. So I think he kind of came in and thought, I'm going to do all these executive actions, and he's actually been quite limited. And it is really important that people are standing up.