Neil deGrasse Tyson

anti-traditional science.

And what I don't want people to think is that because these things happen, that we should eschew or throw away the stuff that got us to where we are right now.

I think it's important to recognize that not only are these things at play in science, they're at play in pretty much everything.

So when you think about fine art,

The artists that are very famous are the ones that have the best rhetoric.

They're not necessarily the most talented.

They're the ones that can talk about their work in ways that are soaring and aspirational, or they have someone that does that for them.

Politics, we don't elect the person who is best qualified.

We elect

the person that we like and who sounds good and who says the things that tickle our ears.

So this is a human problem.

It's not necessarily- Preach it, Lord Knight.

It's not necessarily a science problem.

And I just want to say that because as we look at this, especially these two particular anecdotes, it can make it seem like the industry of, if you want to call science an industry, is stacked against science.

people who don't have the right pitch or narrative.

Yeah.

You know, what else would be good is if governments just gave more money to science.

How about that?

I mean, that's a novel idea.

It's true.