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Neil Gershenfeld

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

He wrote a horrible memo called the First Draft of a Report on the EDVAC, which is how you program a very early computer.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

In it, he essentially roughly took Turing's architecture and built it into a machine and

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

So the legacy of that is the computer somebody's using to watch this is spending much of its effort moving information from storage transistors to processing transistors, even though they have the same computational complexity.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

So in computer science, when you learn about computing, there's a ridiculous taxonomy of about a hundred different models of computation

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

but they're all fictions.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

In physics, a patch of space occupies space, it stores state, it takes time to transit, and you can interact.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

That is the only model of computation that's physical.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

Everything else is a fiction.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

So I really came to appreciate that a few years back when I did a keynote for the annual meeting of the supercomputer industry and then went into the halls and spent time with the supercomputer builders and came to appreciate that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

Oh, see, if you're familiar with the movie, The Metropolis, people would frolic upstairs in the gardens and down in the basement, people would move levers.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

And that's how computing exists today, that we pretend software is not physical.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

It's separate from hardware.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

And the whole canon of computer science is based on this fiction that bits aren't constrained by atoms, but all sorts of scaling issues in computing come from that boundary, but all sorts of opportunities come from that boundary.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

And so you can trace it all the way back to Turing's machine making this mistake between the head and the tape.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

He never called it von Neumann's architecture.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

He wrote about it in this dreadful memo, and then he wrote beautifully about other things we'll talk about.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

Now, to end a long answer, Turing and von Neumann both knew this.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

So all of the canon of computer scientists credits them for what was never meant to be a computer architecture.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

Both Turing and von Neumann ended their life studying...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#380 – Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication

exactly how software becomes hardware.