Niall Donald

And I suppose how digital communications really have been the undoing of the Cinnabons.

Now, it bears mentioning, just when you read those messages, how little involvement Noel Dugay-Kieran seems to have had in anything.

And how, you know, when you actually go through it, it is really stark that they've just decided to kill this person because they're desperate to kill somebody that's associated with the Hutchess.

There's no messages exchanging what he is meant to have done, maybe unlike Dugay.

Michael Gately, where there's a very personal, seems to be a very personal agenda against him.

We heard that Noel Ducay-Curran seems to have had no involvement with any of them.

And that's been accepted in court.

Yeah, and of course, he would have been friendly with Eddie Hutch by all accounts.

I mean, he grew up down the road from them, probably would have known the Hutch family as, you know, in the 80s as a young man.

But, you know, I mean, that's the extent of it.

you can actually feel the tension off in those phones because they haven't killed somebody in recent times.

I mean, it really actually comes down to that.

So that's just to put in context with Noel, Doug A. Kirwan, you know, he's genuinely a soft, soft target.

I mean, as soft as it can get.

But nonetheless, even though this isn't,

Noel Kirwan doesn't have security or isn't probably on the lookout for people trying to kill him.

It still takes a lot of people to carry out this murder.

It takes, you know, we've got five people convicted and there's all a series of other people named that haven't come before the courts, including obviously somebody who may be in Dubai, let's put it that way.

But

It still takes, you know, 10, 12 people to conduct all of this.