Niall Donald

You know, people wouldn't

I'm sure he has family and friends who think he's a lovely guy, but a lot of people would describe him as being quite, you know, quite aggressive and, you know, certainly a hard person to deal with, to say the least.

Yeah, and of course, I think he's gone on to have other children as well.

So it's, you know, I suppose it shows the contradiction between what families go through, because even the fact that Kellyanne's, some of her relatives were commenting all these years later, I mean, it just shows that the grief is still with them, but he has been able to get on with his life.

And the Spanish legal system is very...

You know, it's very complicated because even as he was convicted of manslaughter, her family also brought a private prosecution, as you're allowed to, against him for murder, which was unsuccessful.

And I think ultimately they brought a civil action simultaneously as well.

Yeah, I think it all happens simultaneously.

220, I think, in compensation.

No, I think that's a civil action, but it happens simultaneously with the criminal case.

So there certainly is, it's a very different legal system, but you're able to bring a private prosecution alongside the prosecution brought by the state and you're also able to bring civil action as well to seek damages, as we've seen with other cases in recent months.

So there was very little happening that day.

It's February.

It's kind of a quiet enough time for news in general.

And Alan Cherry and Ernie Leslie were on the road.

They were at another story actually in Finglas.

Well, it was one of these classic sort of district court stories where a guy had, I think some teenagers had thrown stones at his car and he got out and slapped the teenager.

Always great kind of human stories because some people feel sorry for the teenagers and some people don't.

And so Alan had been out there

But the guy had moved on.