Niall Donald

So it may be that in some case that, you know, he knows the name of the person he applies for.

For example, it could be something like this is an abandoned child and therefore there'd be no mother on the birth cert.

We don't know those sort of details.

But either way, it does seem amazing he gets the passport, but he does.

And it's issued by the passport office and...

presumably then, you know, he wants it in order to become a new citizen effectively and continue on his life.

So he has the passport in his hand.

He's using it.

How does he end up getting caught?

Yeah.

Yeah, but he gets caught basically through these biometrics, which I mean, I think a lot of people who have a sort of older passport won't have had to give this information, but it is part of... Well, actually, no, he wasn't caught through the biometrics, because the biometrics on his card were genuine biometrics, because it was a real passport card.

So he gets caught then because he has his genuine fingerprint then, does he, on his genuine biometrics, which also matches another fingerprint that has a different name, basically.

Now, he is obviously prosecuted and he gets quite a serious sentence because I do think there is a recognition in the courts now that these offences are to be, you know, that you are going to end up in prison.

And of course, there is a statement given to us from the department who like highlight this fact that the Irish passport is particularly trusted and that's obviously of benefit to the state.

Yeah.

So, I mean, he's been treated harshly.

Now, well, not harshly, but he's been treated.

He's certainly been given a serious offence and it's treated as such.

Now, Mr. Kerrigan is sentenced to life for this in the UK.

I don't, you know, it's probably approaching...