Niall Donald

And people would have said to me, for example, that, you know, the connection between the Cavanagh and the Kinnan family, for example, has always been a bit... This is Palmer Cavanagh's parents.

Balmer Cavanagh's parents would have known Christie Kynan's dad.

They would have been friendly.

All those people have no involvement in crime.

There's no suggestion of that, but that it would have been, I suppose, you know, maybe not as straightforward as this is, he's a middle class guy.

It's somewhere along that line, I suppose.

And like most Irish people, you know, the poverty is only one generation away, I suppose.

And, you know, it just shows you when somebody gets as big a news story as Christy Kinahan that his leaving results have been made public.

Do you know that?

Didn't know that.

And maybe not made public, but the son did a story about how he actually failed his leaving.

Right.

So...

Christy Kinhan, look, there's no doubt about him being smart, but certainly that was said, that he only passed two subjects.

He would have gone to, it's said he went to Declan's in Cabra first and got expelled and then went to O'Connell's in the north inner city.

Now, O'Connell's

Christian Brothers School, probably one of the most famous schools in Dublin.

My own father would have gone there.

People would have got a scholarship and it would have seemed to have been a really prestigious school.

Past pupils would have included James Joyce, Pat Kenny, the broadcaster, former Taoiseach Sean Lamas, PJ Marra.