Niall Donald

and just not being able to do it.

Is it about... Like, I mean, it must be about all of those things.

But there was a great interview with Bob Arum a couple of years ago, the boxing promoter in the US, where he was speaking about his relationship with Daniel Kinnan.

Obviously, he publicly backed them initially.

And then when the sanctions were left on him, dropped them promptly.

But he was saying at one point Daniel Kinnan was on to him saying, yeah, I was involved in a bit of stuff.

have a shady past, but I've left it all behind now and I just want to do something that makes my kids proud and all of that.

But of course he wasn't.

Yeah.

He was still keeping his hand in the other stuff.

Frauds are like his father.

Frauds are like his father.

And his father, of course, we know great details about these deals he was trying to set up to buy airplanes and get involved in charity, charities and everything.

But he was also keeping his hand in the other thing.

So I think they must have had those moments where they thought, next week now I'm going to totally give up the L cocaine trafficking.

But then somebody then think, oh, well, I'll just make this 100 million.

Let's make another 100 million.

Well, Imperiale is a great example.

Isn't he?

Yeah, because I can't remember what his final sentence was, but it was something.