Niall Donald

Was he?

No.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, you would have probably heard the monk, but not known why he was... Thought he was a priest.

So this, of course, is your own dad, Jerry Ryan.

Yes.

Who was, I'm sure everybody will know, remember him, but he was probably at the peak of his radio fame.

He would have been one of the best known people in the country.

You know, much loved and presented, you know,

television and radio shows.

Obviously, Gerry Hutch, as you said, at that time, you know, would have been the one of the most, well, is he famous or infamous?

Probably infamous, but certainly, you know, even my parents, who have no interest in crime,

would know who the monk is and would have known who the monk was back then.

Do you think that gave you a bond with his kids, both having famous dads that were admittedly famous for very different reasons?

You can shite and F away to be honest.

Yes, the kind of merging the public persona, the private persona.

And the fact is, you know, and it is a reality that people have shades of light and dark.

Everybody does to one degree or another.

Yeah exactly.

So Gerry Hutch as people will know was born in the north inner city in great poverty and became involved in criminality at a young age.