Niall Donald

And so when you go in, the cells are off, there's a kind of a guard station, is there?

And then the cells are, is it like, does it look like that?

Is there a corridor and things like that?

Yeah, yeah.

And so in terms of the seizures or drugs, obviously one thing that we have covered is the risk posed by opiate substitutes, I suppose.

Nitrazine is, I think, one of them.

And that led to a very serious medical issue in, I think it was Port Leach last year, where I think it was 11 people got taken to hospital.

That is something that they're deeply concerned about, isn't it?

Just a bit of psychosis, I suppose, brought on by the drugs.

Now, obviously, the drugs are the main thing that comes in, but the phones remain something of real importance to the prisoners, for obvious reasons, for...

a more benign reason that they want to keep in touch with family and friends or, you know, a more sinister reason that they want to keep in touch with criminal associates or arrange criminal acts.

So there's still a large number of these fob phones.

Yeah.

I mean, the advantage of them is that they look like a

I suppose car fobs really that you use to turn on and off your alarm or your watch and they're obviously very hard to detect.

Yeah, so I mean, the fob phones, they have this chair, isn't it?

The boss chair.

I don't know if they have it in WeField, but they have it in some of the prisons where if you sit in it,

it'll set off a metal detector alarm and the small fob phones, because they're totally plastic, I don't think they were showing up.

The weapons as well that are coming in, obviously they're of a huge concern and they're being seized in general, I suppose, in the prisons as well, makeshift weapons.