Niall Donald

Now, they're obviously not suspected of, you know, direct involvement in any of the drug dealing business, but they're suspected of, when they're named in cab cases, it's a civil action to say that they're in possession of these assets.

And I think there was some explanation given for some of the designer gear that came from Turkey, but this obviously wasn't accepted by the court.

It was used in a few, yeah, yeah.

So Charmaine, of course, it's not her, I don't know if she was in court for those cab hearings, but she has appeared in court before for much, like a minor incident, but it was certainly some violence used to say the least.

Yeah.

I mean, I suppose you can see with the family, it does, you know, Jamie Gagan's criminal past does give an insight into how they operate.

While they have been linked to murders, they have tried to stay probably a step away from that sort of wide scale murders that were being committed by other gangs that really brought on the police attention.

There's no doubt they have been linked to murders, but maybe they've tried to, you know, maybe get people to do them, I suppose, and keep a slight bit away from it.

But they've been heavily involved in using very extreme violence to collect debts because obviously they're a huge drugs gang and they need to have that fear.

And somebody like Jamie Gagan, who I think was described as a talented footballer at one stage, but I mean, he certainly...

Yeah, but he's suspected of certainly the case he was convicted of.

I mean, it was particularly savage sort of use of violence there.

Yeah.

And of course you see with the family gang, a case like this it comes to light because a witness has seen something and reported to the guards but there is a belief I think that there's many more of these cases where somebody may be involved in the drugs business and

you know, they don't go to police.

And we certainly hear a lot of reports about that kind of use of violence to collect those debts.

Yeah, so there's these reported crimes, but there's many more that don't go reported ultimately, particularly if people have ties to criminality themselves.

It's certainly a no-no.

Anyway, no doubt we'll be coming back to Jamie Gagan because I think even behind bars, he's been up to no good.

So it's something we're going to continue to look at.