Niall Donald

There's no doubt they have been linked to murders, but maybe they've tried to, you know, maybe get people to do them, I suppose, and keep a slight bit away from it.

But they've been heavily involved in using very extreme violence to collect debts because obviously they're a huge drugs gang and they need to have that fear.

And somebody like Jamie Gagan, who I think was described as a talented footballer at one stage, but I mean, he certainly...

Yeah, but he's suspected of certainly the case he was convicted of.

I mean, it was particularly savage sort of use of violence there.

Yeah.

And of course you see with the family gang, a case like this it comes to light because a witness has seen something and reported to the guards but there is a belief I think that there's many more of these cases where somebody may be involved in the drugs business and

you know, they don't go to police.

And we certainly hear a lot of reports about that kind of use of violence to collect those debts.

Yeah, so there's these reported crimes, but there's many more that don't go reported ultimately, particularly if people have ties to criminality themselves.

It's certainly a no-no.

Anyway, no doubt we'll be coming back to Jamie Gagan because I think even behind bars, he's been up to no good.

So it's something we're going to continue to look at.

Absolutely.

Thanks, Eamon.

Always a pleasure, Niall.