Niall

Yes, for the obvious reason that, and they actually explained it in court today, you have to give them the incentive because the opposite is to put the victim through a trial.

And the victim in that case nearly always will have to be a witness, which is a deeply traumatic experience.

They, certainly in a case like this, but in any case, a victim being called to court is traumatic.

So if you don't incentivise people to plead guilty, why would they, I suppose?

And you want to incentivise it.

Now,

Clearly, these guys pled guilty in the middle of a trial, so you're not going to get as much mitigation as a result.

But they're starting off, the judges, they cannot give them more than 10 years.

That is just the way it is.

It is a maximum sentence.

So they automatically have to discount something off that in order to get the incentive plea, and that's where we get to these cases.

Yes, you get about 25% off.

And they've already served a year and a half.

They've already served from February 2025 to now, so a bit less, a year and a bit.

Well, I mean, yes.

I mean, for a start, Jason Hennessey is probably smaller than he looks like.

on TV.

He's not tall.

The guy in the middle.

Yeah, he's not tall.