Nicholas Confessore

And we know that, as you say, Goldman stood firm by her for many days.

And it appeared that she was going to stick it out.

And then one day she decided, I'm going to resign.

I can't handle all the scrutiny, the constant drumbeat of stories.

And the mechanism really is something that's hidden from us as to whose patience was worn out first.

That's right.

It's remarkable.

What we saw in the Epstein files was, again, evidence of a friendly relationship with a known predator, a known sex offender.

We saw that he went to a fancy dinner at Epstein's house.

We saw that he even offered some legal opinions to Epstein about Epstein's plea deal, right?

The plea deal that put him in jail the first time for soliciting a minor for prostitution.

Right.

And so it seems that those details, unlike this deal with Trump that many saw as capitulation to a frivolous threat, were what pushed him over the edge and out of the chairmanship.

I think what makes these distinctive and perhaps the reason why they could not withstand the revelations is that it's one thing to advise a client who is a sex predator.

It's a separate thing to be friends with somebody.

You're chummy with them.

You exhibit no judgment towards them at all in the friendship realm.

Why are you friends with this guy?

Why are you helping him figure out how to troubleshoot his legal problems that stem from soliciting a minor for prostitution?

At what point, and this is just in the mind of the listener or the reader or the person, at what point did a bell go off in your head to say, perhaps I should not be so close to this guy?