Nick Baumgardner

You know what I mean?

Like, once you start changing, and I know rule changes are part of the game, but it's like that would feel, what's the word for it?

Inauthentic might be the word.

I mean, do you want to bring back hand-checking?

What do you want to do, Russ?

Tell me how you want to change basketball.

Yes.

Oh, you wanted to get physical again.

A little bit more.

Because I think one of my issues with... And I love old heads, and I mean that with all due respect.

But I never like talking about basketball.

Like, oh, back in the day, you couldn't just come in and let...

I don't think being able to punch people when they drove to the basket... That's not good?

That wasn't good basketball.

But more physicality, I think, is helpful.

But also, I just...

I think sometimes in the effort, and this is a specific to Adam Silver thing, but I think it's part of the job of a commissioner as well.

You're thinking so, you have to think so forward.

You have to be so forward thinking in terms of like globalization, expansion, X, Y, Z. You forget that the people that you're trying to do this for is your fan base.

And you're so focused on new fans, new fans, new fans, new fans, new fans that probably don't care ultimately what you end up doing.