Nick Clegg

But my point is an important one, which is that if you keep...

By miscasting the past, and I think the left is doing that at the moment, and vilifying everything on beastly fiscal decisions, you don't have the intellectual wherewithal to ask what you need to do next, which is why they're now governing in this haphazard way, because they've replaced policy.

with sanctimony and if you replace policy with sanctimony you don't produce better policy and and and i this is where we're stuck at the moment and certainly and i you know i led a center left party for eight years i just think we're stuck on the center left at the moment it's why all the intellectual energy and i really lament this is at the moment coming from the from the right or even the far right where is the intellectual energy from the the the left and the center left

But they're so stuck in constantly in sort of Old Testament terms describing what happened in the last 16 years or 40 years.

Instead of actually liberating themselves from that and saying what worked, what didn't work, not being sort of morally sanctimonious about it.

And what do we do next?

Well, I think that argument, oddly enough, is a more compelling argument than I just don't like Peter Thiel or Alex Carpwood.

And by the way, they do say...

things which I violently disagree with, but you can't just say, I don't like that company, finger in the air, because I don't like the CEO, or he said some daft thing on a podcast.

I actually think the point you just made is the key one, which is if you, I mean, I think Palantir call their core software application foundry, and it's this clearly very effective software, enterprise software architecture, which allows, whether it's the NHS or a company, to meld

the the balkanized old data they've got and make it usable and so on so and they've got a 20-year head start to be fair to teal and carp and these people they understood 20 years ago that software as a service was going to be a big thing and we were asleep at the wheel but the point is i do think that's a legitimate question because these people don't come neutrally they come with their architecture and their system now then much cleverer people than me can adjudicate whether it's better than everybody else's but it's

But it's just self-evidently true that once you become dependent on that architecture, that's the nature of software systems, it becomes sticky, as they call it in Silicon Valley.

It becomes a very sticky experience.

And that would worry me, particularly because I find it defies belief, or sort of defies...

Credibility, in my view, that particularly with AI innovations, companies like Palantir cannot be very much more quickly disrupted and challenged by AI powered software as a service or enterprise software rivals.

Let's say you decided you wanted to go with an anthropic product.

Anthropic is doing extremely well at the moment because it's stolen a march against open AI in the enterprise software space.

They understood enterprises where the market was.

I honestly don't know.

This is beyond my technical knowledge.