Nick Gillespie
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard Feb 2025
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The Bulwark Daily · 'The Hottest Circle of Hell Is for Those Who Stay Neutral' · 27 Dec 2024
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All right. All right. I see how it's going to be.
Well, now you're just in the range of total fantasy and speculation, so...
No, but when Javier Millay did something stupid, you would point it out.
No, I'm not.
That sounds like a Rush lyric expanded into a... No, I don't... First off, we are talking about this explicitly only in terms of politics, which is a big problem. I know when I meet somebody, if they define themselves, you say, who are you? What are you interested in? And they say, I am a Democrat or I am a Republican in the top three, you know you're in the wrong conversation.
We need to get away from politics. to the greatest degree possible. But you're saying like you need to pick a party and then work exclusively through that. That just is a bad way to organize your life, I would argue.
And it might mean I don't have as much say in the Republican Party or the Democratic Party, but I still write and I still vote and I still do things that will give me a voice and an ability to express myself and hopefully have some impact on what happens in my communities.
But if I may, just to interrupt Matt mostly, when you look at issues that matter, things like gay marriage, things like marijuana or ending the drug war and incarceration of people, school choice and things like that, these things operate at a pre-partisan level. And when they become successful and when they become effective, civil rights movement is certainly like this.
They are either pre-partisan or trans-partisan or non-partisan. And those are the things that change things.
Tim, as I said in my opening remarks, it's you don't have to choose a particular party. You stand on policy and on principles.
Yes, exactly.
When Bill Clinton was elected in 92, he had two years where he got to do whatever he wanted, and he ended up doing such a good job at that that he elected a Republican Congress for the first time in anybody's memory. And then what happened was an alchemical kind of reaction or transformation where things ended up working out pretty well.
Something like that might happen as well here, and this is where You know, we're talking about all of this in like a great, you know, implicitly in a great man theory of how the world works. Politics is not that important. Donald Trump does not have to be that popular. It might well be that the Republicans actually man up or woman up or whatever and challenge him on certain things.
And if they don't, they're going to get, they're going... They're going to get re they're going to get kicked to the curb like they did in 2018. So relax a little bit.
I'm stroking out, so thank you.
How are you guys okay? I'm not okay. Like Matt, I was expecting and kind of hoping for Kamala Harris to win with the Republican Congress to buy us some time to get to a better place. Donald Trump's trade policy is idiotic. And the immigration, his, you know, promises to do mass deportations is disgusting and vile.
And it's something that you will read a lot about in, you know, the pages of Reason magazine, as we did when Obama deported people and when George Bush deported people and things like that. It's just, it's flat out wrong.
I said it multiple times in various podcasts and whatnot that my preferred outcome was that Kamala Harris wins with Republican Congress.
It's bad.
And just as a quick follow-up, I'm a libertarian because I grew up lower middle class, not in spite of that. I think capitalism and free markets and limited government gives you the most opportunity to actually advance in the world. It also creates a market full of innovation so that suddenly food is unbelievably cheap, even relatively speaking during terms of high inflation.
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