Nick Jonas

You have to understand where many of us in the Jewish community come from who have a deep relationship with Israel.

We still want to try to change Israel.

You know, we still want to change the trajectory.

We don't want to see it become a pariah state.

We don't want to see it become an outcast state among the nations, which is where it's headed if it continues down the path that it's on.

And so our theory of change, which is change American politics so American policy can be more balanced and more rational and help push for a resolution of this conflict, you know, solve this problem, not just punish, not just call out the bad guys, but actually solve this problem.

And the solution to this problem ends in a border.

There has to be a border for the state of Palestine, the state of Israel, and integration of both of those states into a successful and stable region.

Right.

I mean, you would hope that the pro-South Africa, the people from South Africa who lived here, who hated apartheid and wanted a different South Africa, would be pretty happy when Nelson Mandela came to power.

And their view of pro-South African would have been Mandela's victory.

Right.

And so for me, I am pro-Israel, but I'm anti-South

occupation.

I am anti the moral abomination of what happened in Gaza.

I am anti the settler terrorism that is happening on the West Bank.

Because I'm anti those things, that's how I define my pro-Israel.

I am standing up for the idea that the state that represents the Jewish people should not behave this way.

This is not what it means to be Jewish.

This is not our values.